ớ, 1 năm sau ông này mới nói thì mới có để quote lại, chứ thần thánh à mà nói cái là có liền
còn thím thì có def được việc nhận vơ không nào
còn lí do đánh u cà thì 3 năm qua bàn nát rồi, ai theo phe nào thì tin theo phe đấy
làm ơn đừng ảo tưởng là chỉ phe mình đúng
hẹ hẹ
muốn nhục thêm thì coi ở đây, 2:36:39 là bắt đầu nhé
transcript luôn nếu lười ngồi nghe
2:36:33
"I can be a pipeline. Zelensky initiated the request
to contact Putin.
2:36:41
Zelensky called me and asked me to contact Putin. I have the protocol.
-What for?
2:36:48
To help. As the war is ongoing.
-Yes, and he was in distress.
2:36:54
Keep in mind, he knows that his days are numbered,
that he'll be killed.
2:37:02
It wasn't hard to kill him. It wasn't hard to kill him.
2:37:07
The Russians had demands, one was denazification,
2:37:14
meaning replacement of the leader and I assume the world understood
that this means killing him.
2:37:21
There was a disarmament - emptying Ukraine out
of weapons and army.
2:37:29
There were 5-6 demands at first.
-Yes. So Zelensky calls you. "Can you help me?"
2:37:35
At the time I was meeting with Scholz,
2:37:43
the new chancellor of Germany
who replaced Angela Merkel. They're both excellent
and very different.
2:37:50
Scholz is a man of few words. Not that Angela was a big talker,
but he…
2:37:56
You're meeting him in Germany?
-No, in Jerusalem. -Oh right. So we have the first meeting
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and he's very distressed because there's the gas issue, he fears for Germany's energy
and the ramifications.
2:38:20
I tell him about my discussions
with Putin and… and Putin says,
"we can reach a ceasefire."
2:38:29
So I start talks back and forth, Putin-Zelensky, Zelensky-Putin.
-On the phone. –Yes.
2:38:35
What happens in these phone calls? What happens…
-What's your suggestion? What happens is this,
2:38:45
drafts are exchanged,
2:38:51
no only through us,
directly as well. They're in Belarus,
in a city called Gomel. There are two negotiation teams –
Russia and Ukraine,
2:39:00
that the world looked down on, but I considered it
a good thing that they were talking
2:39:07
and exchanging… And I try to find solutions. I'm very skilled at negotations
2:39:17
from my corporate life and politics and I can procure deals.
2:39:22
Moreover,
I realize we're on borrowed time,
2:39:30
I said that we're on the verge
of another Kafr Kanna. I'll explain what I mean
to the listeners.
2:39:37
An unplanned security escalation.
-An extreme situation will occur whereby many civilians will be killed
2:39:43
and then it will be very hard to reach a ceasefire. It was very hard as it is.
-Yes.
2:39:50
So I called it
the "Kafr Kanna" affair. I explained it to the Americans. Everything I did was fully coordinated
with Biden, with Macron,
2:39:59
with Boris Johnson, with Scholz and obviously with Zelensky.
מאחורי הקלעים של התיווך Behind the scenes of mediation
2:40:05
But I want to…
-Did they think you could succeed? I have a debate about that
with the Americans,
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I just… I think there was a chance
and I'll explain,
2:40:19
they say there was no chance. But there are two questions:
Was there a chance and was it justifiable?
2:40:27
Maybe they didn’t want you to succeed. Talk about the compromise
you thought you could achieve
2:40:33
before talking about
the meeting itself. There were a few issues,
2:40:42
the major issues. When I met with Putin
he made two big concessions
2:40:52
that are obvious now, they weren't at the time.
-During the first meeting. No, at the meeting…
-On Saturday.
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I'll go into that, but first, he renounced the denazification.
2:41:05
I.e., taking out Zelensky.
-Yes.
2:41:11
He said it in those words? That's why it's so…
a leader's life is invaluable
2:41:19
and I knew that Zelensky
was under threat. He was in a secret bunker,
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so 3-4 hours into the meeting, I'm getting to the meeting now,
2:41:31
I asked, "what's with… "are you going to kill Zelensky?"
He said, "I won't kill Zelensky."
2:41:38
Then I said, "I have to understand that you're giving your word
that you won't kill Zelensky."
2:41:45
"I won't kill Zelensky." After the meeting, in the car
from the Kremlin to the airport,
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I contacted Zelensky
by WhatsApp or Telegram. Didn’t you fear the Russians would see?
-No.
2:42:00
He has no problem because I was… No, the premise is…
-They can see. So you call him.
2:42:05
I call Zelensky and say, "I came out of a meeting,
he's not going to kill you."
2:42:11
He asks, "are you sure?" "100%, he won't kill you."
2:42:17
Two hours later Zelensky went to his office
and filmed himself there on his phone,