thảo luận Practicing English with vOzers :D

Sounds a good idea. I want to share my own story about practicing english. I really hate english. The more I learned, the worse I was. But I found out one little secret. It’s not that SECRET, so to speak. The best way to learn english is through LISTENING. I was forced to be exposed to english about 6 - 10 hours a day about a year ago. Now I can listen and understand english pretty naturally. I don’t deliberately learn english, just absorb it, bit after bit.
 
It seems that some dudes in here are obsessed with studying english. It’s not sciences, why should we analysis it ? It’s ok to make grammar mistakes. Why should you care ? The native speakers don’t care either.
 
It seems that some dudes in here are obsessed with studying english.
Wouldn't call that obsession, it's merely having a purpose, which is part of the equation.
It’s not sciences, why should we analysis it ?
There totally is science behind it. You do realize that there's an entire field dedicated to it, linguistics, that exists to, you know, study languages, why they are the way they are and such?
It’s ok to make grammar mistakes. Why should you care ? The native speakers don’t care either.
It depends on why you need English in the first place. This debate has been regurgitated so many times it's kinda tiring, but I digress.
If I had to give you a boring answer, it would be that grammar is a critical component in any language to ensure effective communication. The reality is, by not doing your due diligence of learning and using the language properly, you're offloading work onto the listeners, hoping that they're smart enough to figure out what you're saying 100% of the time.
I'll say, it's easy to just be like "ah well this is good enough" and stop right there. Nothing wrong with that, and no one can fault you for it, not even the native speakers. Again, it goes hand in hand with my very first point: having a purpose. If you can afford to improve (and hopefully achieve perfection), why wouldn't you?

As for your previous comment, what can I say, congrats I guess? You basically figured out how babies learn to talk. I wanted to say I feel sorry that you hate English, but that'd make me a hypocrite considering how I literally just said part of the reason is having purpose. Clearly English doesn't pose much of a presence in your life (at least in comparison to mine), and that's fine.
 
Wouldn't call that obsession, it's merely having a purpose, which is part of the equation.

There totally is science behind it. You do realize that there's an entire field dedicated to it, linguistics, that exists to, you know, study languages, why they are the way they are and such?

It depends on why you need English in the first place. This debate has been regurgitated so many times it's kinda tiring, but I digress.
If I had to give you a boring answer, it would be that grammar is a critical component in any language to ensure effective communication. The reality is, by not doing your due diligence of learning and using the language properly, you're offloading work onto the listeners, hoping that they're smart enough to figure out what you're saying 100% of the time.
I'll say, it's easy to just be like "ah well this is good enough" and stop right there. Nothing wrong with that, and no one can fault you for it, not even the native speakers. Again, it goes hand in hand with my very first point: having a purpose. If you can afford to improve (and hopefully achieve perfection), why wouldn't you?

As for your previous comment, what can I say, congrats I guess? You basically figured out how babies learn to talk. I wanted to say I feel sorry that you hate English, but that'd make me a hypocrite considering how I literally just said part of the reason is having purpose. Clearly English doesn't pose much of a presence in your life (at least in comparison to mine), and that's fine.
You really have your points. I agree with you for the most part. Allow me to defend myself 😀
If 6 -10 hours working in english environment a day is NOT MUCH of presence, ok then. The thing about this babies’ approach is we often think it’s a myth. But what surprised me is that it worked. And I just thought how incredible our subconscious was. This way of learning is actually pretty much the way AI i.e. ChatGPT is taught. No one teaches it how grammar works. And mind you, not just my listenining skill, my other skills have improved a lot too.
Again, purposes. Let’s consider it. For the most part, for NORMAL people what are languages used for. Communication, of course. In a real talk, do you think you have time to think about grammar ? Perfection for me is talking like a native naturally and smoothly. Not perfectionism robotic grammar rules and you can’t talk at all. The native often are such like us, we don’t care about Vietnamese grammar, do you ? Unless you are a linguist or something.
 
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