akitsun
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thảo luận Practicing English with vOzers :D
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DrPrank
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Oh wow, it took me so long being a f17 dweller before the idea of searching for this thread came to my mind today. Had the pleasure of reading up on every reply so far and have finally caught up. Feels good to be back!
Someone's already mentioned it a few replies below that it's because the games are not actively trying to get you to learn English. They are just, erm, games.
The underlying psychological reason behind this is due to the fact that you're engaging in an activity that you personally and purposefully chose to do. You simply like/love it. In other words, you could say you don't hate it. It's not such a burden or a struggle for you that you will detest it. You are willing to go any extra miles to learn about it. This is quite similar to how you're willing to research subjects in school that you prefer simply because you love them.
When it comes to games (which are more than often in English), learning English becomes a byproduct. It means when you learn to play the game, you subconsciously and passively start to learn English, albeit the end result will usually be acceptable at best, which allows you to understand how the game works at the bare minimum. The thing is, if you are someone who plays games, religiously or not, you don't just stop at one game now, do you? That's why you start making progress with English without knowing it. In some cases, like with what happened to the person whom I've quoted above, you begin to realize that you find it interesting and actively seek for a way to learn English.
This is also why some games are specifically made to teach you English. Although to my knowledge, most if not all fail because in the end they still try too hard trying to get you to learn English. A game is just a game, it's not capable of answering questions you might have, which is why you need a teacher.
What makes a good teacher is they are able to use the teaching materials as guidelines, not just blindly preaching them.
What makes a great teacher is they will go above and beyond to teach you English without actually doing so. If they can make it feel near effortless and fun for you to absorb everything, then congratulations, you've got yourself an amazing teacher. Don't forget to be thankful, because those are in short supply.
If you're thinking about learning English, try to find where your heart is at with it. Do you need it for yourself or do you need it for work? How much are you willing to study for it? Will it pay dividends to force yourself to learn it at all? There's multiple levels of proficiency to mastering English, depending on the field of work you are in (if that's why you are learning) too.
A lot of times you will find yourself barely improving at all. This is completely normal because you've most likely reached a plateau - meaning the progress you're making is not by leaps and bounds anymore, you're improving, only slowly. Most people feel that way from IELTS's band 8.0 and above trying to make the jump to a higher band. Do not beat yourself over it. Take a break and then come back. When you're quite comfortable with English, you'll find it easier to take in new things. Trust me.
Try to make it fun, don't make it a chore. People have been saying this a bazllion times: English in the end is only a tool. You choose what to do with it.
If you've actually read everything, thanks for that. I hope that it was somehow meaningful to you. I'll be checking in on this thread regularly though.
This is an old reply but it piqued my interest a bit and I thought I'd like to expand upon it. Do take my words with a grain of salt and I have no idea how long this is going to be because I'm literally thinking as I go.
Someone's already mentioned it a few replies below that it's because the games are not actively trying to get you to learn English. They are just, erm, games.
The underlying psychological reason behind this is due to the fact that you're engaging in an activity that you personally and purposefully chose to do. You simply like/love it. In other words, you could say you don't hate it. It's not such a burden or a struggle for you that you will detest it. You are willing to go any extra miles to learn about it. This is quite similar to how you're willing to research subjects in school that you prefer simply because you love them.
When it comes to games (which are more than often in English), learning English becomes a byproduct. It means when you learn to play the game, you subconsciously and passively start to learn English, albeit the end result will usually be acceptable at best, which allows you to understand how the game works at the bare minimum. The thing is, if you are someone who plays games, religiously or not, you don't just stop at one game now, do you? That's why you start making progress with English without knowing it. In some cases, like with what happened to the person whom I've quoted above, you begin to realize that you find it interesting and actively seek for a way to learn English.
This is also why some games are specifically made to teach you English. Although to my knowledge, most if not all fail because in the end they still try too hard trying to get you to learn English. A game is just a game, it's not capable of answering questions you might have, which is why you need a teacher.
What makes a good teacher is they are able to use the teaching materials as guidelines, not just blindly preaching them.
What makes a great teacher is they will go above and beyond to teach you English without actually doing so. If they can make it feel near effortless and fun for you to absorb everything, then congratulations, you've got yourself an amazing teacher. Don't forget to be thankful, because those are in short supply.
If you're thinking about learning English, try to find where your heart is at with it. Do you need it for yourself or do you need it for work? How much are you willing to study for it? Will it pay dividends to force yourself to learn it at all? There's multiple levels of proficiency to mastering English, depending on the field of work you are in (if that's why you are learning) too.
A lot of times you will find yourself barely improving at all. This is completely normal because you've most likely reached a plateau - meaning the progress you're making is not by leaps and bounds anymore, you're improving, only slowly. Most people feel that way from IELTS's band 8.0 and above trying to make the jump to a higher band. Do not beat yourself over it. Take a break and then come back. When you're quite comfortable with English, you'll find it easier to take in new things. Trust me.
Try to make it fun, don't make it a chore. People have been saying this a bazllion times: English in the end is only a tool. You choose what to do with it.
If you've actually read everything, thanks for that. I hope that it was somehow meaningful to you. I'll be checking in on this thread regularly though.
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Yoo Si Jin
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Hi guys. Do you read any books in foreign languages. I want to read some book in english to improve my vocabulary. Could you recommend one to me?
tmh_0412
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To be honest, I don't read a ton of books. I'm not the type of guy who can sit in one place for x minutes to binge x pages full of letters. Reading is somewhat 'slow' to me since I usually have to read like 95% of the words in a book to have a good idea of what it's about. When I do decide to skim, lots of details will be missed because I always skip wayyyy to much, being impatient af. Most of the time, I enjoy movies, especially ones that I can't skip so I won't go out of my way and 'cut to the chase'. With that said, I can recommend Harry Potter series, one of the few and also the best books I've read in English. Speaking about Harry Potter, maybe I should try to actually finish it next time, if I have the chance. Why next time? You may ask. 'Fast' me (90% of the time me) decided that he's definitely 100% not in to books so he vowed he would never spend a penny of his allowance buying one. So every time I want books I have to go to my sister's to 'have access' to her bookshelf. This doesn't happen a whole lot but sometimes you've just got to slow down once a while to really appreciate the fact that you and your fam are still around, and all the things that make life great right? Including books, of course. I'd say my existential dread pushes me to books really. Ya know, that urge to do something useful so that life won't be wasted. Again, this doesn't happen often so I'm still pretty much just as hopeless as usual. Maybe I should take 'depressant', or... 'anti-antidepressant' for those who are already depressed. This way I'd be more depressed, which means I could be more productive, jk... No really... Nah jk... Or am I?
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Pax
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Every single person has their own vocabulary bank, so you should embark on something that gives you about 30% of new vocabulary.
Pax
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It is a good idea, because we will have a place of mutual learning
To do this, you could come by my thread to share your essays.
https://next.voz.vn/t/preparation-for-the-2021-ielts-test.38505/
Yoo Si Jin
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I will read Harry Potter first thanks to your recommendationTo be honest, I don't read a ton of books. I'm not the type of guy who can sit in one place for x minutes to binge x pages full of letters. Reading is somewhat 'slow' to me since I usually have to read like 95% of the words in a book to have a good idea of what it's about. When I do decide to skim, lots of details will be missed because I always skip wayyyy to much, being impatient af. Most of the time, I enjoy movies, especially ones that I can't skip so I won't go out of my way and 'cut to the chase'. With that said, I can recommend Harry Potter series, one of the few and also the best books I've read in English. Speaking about Harry Potter, maybe I should try to actually finish it next time, if I have the chance. Why next time? You may ask. 'Fast' me (90% of the time me) decided that he's definitely 100% not in to books so he vowed he would never spend a penny of his allowance buying one. So every time I want books I have to go to my sister's to 'have access' to her bookshelf. This doesn't happen a whole lot but sometimes you've just got to slow down once a while to really appreciate the fact that you and your fam are still around, and all the things that make life great right? Including books, of course. I'd say my existential dread pushes me to books really. Ya know, that urge to do something useful so that life won't be wasted. Again, this doesn't happen often so I'm still pretty much just as hopeless as usual. Maybe I should take 'depressant', or... 'anti-antidepressant' for those who are already depressed. This way I'd be more depressed, which means I could be more productive, jk... No really... Nah jk... Or am I?No really JUST KIDDING... or...
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trada25
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Currently reading some Big Ideas Simply Explained and suggest that you should try these first
Easy to read. Academic. Variety of captivating topics
candy _candy
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My goal in 2020 is to read the book "Software Project Management for Dummies" with about 400 pages, then move to PMBOK Guide with about 600 pages
I want to improve my English and management skills in parallel studying Japanese.
However, a little lazy, a little stressful in working and I do not want to do anything
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I want to improve my English and management skills in parallel studying Japanese.
However, a little lazy, a little stressful in working and I do not want to do anything
(((((((((((((((((((((
Conan.Doyle
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your life is your life
Yoo Si Jin
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Oh thank you
I just take a glance at Big ideas simply explained book so I realize that wonderful which have picture, color and easy to read. It will improve knowlegde very well, I think
tmh_0412
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so try to live your life and not someone else's life
// làm sao được senior member vậy đồng học
fothermucker
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i am very bad at english, but i can speak vietnames
quandui248
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I think you should pick some books about your field, it's easier to understand and keep your interesting
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Frozen0rchid
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I have been listening to loads of different kinds of music and today I will introduce to you guys a singer who, according to the famous Céline Dion, has his voice similar to God's singing voice. (of course if God has a singing voice) 
And this one below is one of my favorite songs
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Pax
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Music is magicalI have been listening to loads of different kinds of music and today I will introduce to you guys a singer who, according to the famous Céline Dion, have his voice similar to God's singing voice. (of course if God have a singing voice)
And this one below is one of my favorite songs
Suddenly hear this song from a random list, I am impressed by the gentle melody and the singer. It is like a cool breeze on a hot day.
Frozen0rchid
Senior Member
The Carpenters was a very well-known band in Western Countries a couple decades ago. I used to listen to "Yesterday Once More" so many times in my college years. Their songs are also very easy to listen, the pronounciation is clear and the accent is easy to mimic. Sometime, I play the music without any intention of listen to just to let my brain get use to with the language
Nowadays, not many singers posses such vocal techniques anymore. Since the public's interest have re-directed into techno music and EDM, singers tend to be depended on those digital devices too
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